DUST Search - Remove Vehicle Scanners From Game

Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:

What purpose do Vehicle Scanners serve? When designing the game, why did CCP decide vehicles needed the ability to scan infantry?

The whole concept of vehicle scanners as it currently stands defies in game canon/ game balance design; i.e. the heavier the dropsuit the lower the scan capabilities. A heavy suit has terrible ewar for purpose of game balance!

What is a vehicle but an over glorified MEGA HEAVY dropsuit?

Following canon, vehicles should have the worst scanning capabilities of all. In fact, the only things they should be able to scan are other vehicles.
But yet they have ewar that trivializes those of the scout and proto active scanner:

80m range
35 db
360 radius
30 second duration.

Just that alone would be op on infantry. But now add:

20-50m/s speed
2k+ proxy ehp
extra super heavy weapon or three

Furthermore, active scanners were reduced to a snapshot for game balance; 360 degree scan was OP. Why is this not also true for vehicle scans?

What was their purpose, and how are vehicle scanners actually used? Trolling infantry is how. I give you the Drive-by HMG and Camping Tanker. A LAV allows an hmg sentinel to circumvent every negative feature built in to balance that dropsuit: it becomes not the slowest but fastest dropsuit; not the weakest but strongest scans. And tanks that can scan everything in 80m but a dampened scout and sit and camp-kill hapless infantry run rampant throughout the game.

The only vehicle that I can concede to having scans is the dropship; wise pilots need to know they are not transporting their teammates into a nest of enemies. Yet even the dropship camps infantry,scanning enemies and raining missiles from above.

TLDR: I argue that vehicle scanners add little and are detrimental to the game. To quickly and easily bring balance to vehicle vs infantry combat vehicle scanners should be removed from the game (with the possible exception of the dropship). If vehicles want to hunt infantry they must have a visual on the target. This will shift teir focus to combating other vehicles. Or if not removed, they should be heavily nerfed. A nerf would be shorter duration or 360 snapshot, higher db (50db) and shorter range (15m). It could be possible to create modules to boost performance as dropsuits currently offer forcing them to sacrifice fitting slots to do so.

Commence flames.


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Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5355	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:45:00 - [1] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: What purpose do Vehicle Scanners serve? When designing the game, why did CCP decide vehicles needed the ability to scan infantry? The whole concept of vehicle scanners as it currently stands defies in game canon/ game balance design; i.e. the heavier the dropsuit the lower the scan capabilities. A heavy suit has terrible ewar for purpose of game balance! What is a vehicle but an over glorified MEGA HEAVY dropsuit? Following canon, vehicles should have the worst scanning capabilities of all. In fact, the only things they should be able to scan are other vehicles. But yet they have ewar that trivializes those of the scout and proto active scanner: 80m range 35 db 360 radius 30 second duration. Just that alone would be op on infantry. But now add: 20-50m/s speed 2k+ proxy ehp extra super heavy weapon or three Furthermore, active scanners were reduced to a snapshot for game balance; 360 degree scan was OP. Why is this not also true for vehicle scans? What was their purpose, and how are vehicle scanners actually used? Trolling infantry is how. I give you the Drive-by HMG and Camping Tanker. A LAV allows an hmg sentinel to circumvent every negative feature built in to balance that dropsuit: it becomes not the slowest but fastest dropsuit; not the weakest but strongest scans. And tanks that can scan everything in 80m but a dampened scout and sit and camp-kill hapless infantry run rampant throughout the game. The only vehicle that I can concede to having scans is the dropship; wise pilots need to know they are not transporting their teammates into a nest of enemies. Yet even the dropship camps infantry,scanning enemies and raining missiles from above. TLDR: I argue that vehicle scanners add little and are detrimental to the game. To quickly and easily bring balance to vehicle vs infantry combat vehicle scanners should be removed from the game (with the possible exception of the dropship). If vehicles want to hunt infantry they must have a visual on the target. This will shift teir focus to combating other vehicles. Or if not removed, they should be heavily nerfed. A nerf would be shorter duration or 360 snapshot, higher db (50db) and shorter range (15m). It could be possible to create modules to boost performance as dropsuits currently offer forcing them to sacrifice fitting slots to do so. Commence flames. I run Scanners on my Myrons and Pythons to ensure cheap Shotgun Scouts don't just run around farming my team. I also use them on my HAVs to ensure that I don't have people sticking remotes on me or getting into AV nade range without me catching them at it. However, the scanners have a long-ass cooldown and the extremely obvious visual effect of the scanner means anyone in the area knows when I can't see them and can run in and attempt a kill. No matter what kind of vehicle runs as Scanner, the only issue is it persisting when you get out of said vehicle. For example a Heavy driving up in an LAV, hitting the Scanner, then hunting down everyone in the area because they can't hide from his vehicle scans. Other than that, there is no problem with vehicle Scanners and you should really stop trying to say there is. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector